[oak1971]

 

[Burgess159]

Saw that. Glad I got my truck when I did. Not sure what route we’ll go when we sell it or it craps out.

 

[oak1971]

Not sure, seems like they are all going for cheap, small engines that are vastly overcomplicated.

 

[oak1971]

 

[Duken4evr]

Makes sense I suppose to simplify the manufacturing chain and the 2.7 with a 10 speed should be a great performing power train in the twins, but the WT will be more expensive with it. I see a lot of WTs around here used for business. I wonder if that will cut into WT sales.

While the 2.7 gas with 10 speed sounds pretty awesome, it can never be as flat out cool as a small diesel in a mid size truck. I plan to drive my MiniMax for a long time

 

[oak1971]

Guess I run mine till it starts spitting parts, then bail on it. Running out of stuff I care to buy.

 

[Coloradorob]

Most places around the world want a diesel. Better milage low end torque ect.
GM has stated that they will no longer make right hand drive vehicles.
Holden of Australia has been shut down.
So the market for the 2.8 is now limited to only a few countries.

I think Ford kicked GMs ass so bad with the introduction of the Ranger with a turbo 4 cyl and the 10 speed it finally woke someone up at GM.
Considering how bad GM screwed up selling the twins with ether an antique 6 speed or a seriously flawed 8 speed. Would anyone really buy the V6 with that shuddering transmission? Not me.........
when all the time they had the 10: speed available.
They destroyed there own sales......

Anyone that has a diesel knows how nice it is to have lots of torque and not have to listen to a screaming V6.
plus the price of the diesel up grade was to high.....
This all leads to buying a Ranger over the twins.
In all but North America you can buy a Ranger with a twin turbo 2.0 diesel and a Ranger Raptor.... These trucks are very popular with the diesel......

Personally I wouldn’t have bought a twin if it wasn’t for the amazing 30 plus miles per gallon.
19 miles per gallon is not in the cards for me....
So I think this is a huge mistake on GMs part......

Rob

 

[Trail loving chevy]

At least I know Cummins makes a replacement motor if anything were to happen to the minimax. Don’t won’t to ever have to go back to the gas

 

[Jiggy]

Guess we will own an instant classic..... Or catastrophe.... disappointing

 

[oak1971]

At least I know Cummins makes a replacement motor if anything were to happen to the minimax. Don’t won’t to ever have to go back to the gas

Guess I need to start saving now, I doubt GM is going to keep this motor, wonder what will become of the tooling?

 

[Jiggy]

Look out keep gladiator here I come ....unless Toyota use it's diesel in america

 

[oak1971]

Look out keep gladiator here I come ....unless Toyota use it's diesel in america

Not going to buy a Fiat. No way.

 

[Coloradorob]

At least I know Cummins makes a replacement motor if anything were to happen to the minimax. Don’t won’t to ever have to go back to the gas

yes and no...
the cumins is very under powered.
And it could be due to reliability issues.
I have a new hate for gas engines now that I have experienced being the owner of a diesel.
Being on the highway and climbing a big hill and the truck doesn’t downshift. Love that.
I have a heavy foot and find people take way to long to get up to speed, from a light or stop sign and especially entering the highway. And I still get over 30mpg.

I have owned a lot of small trucks and have never been anywhere close to 30mpg.
Or had a small truck that would pull big weights like the twins..

Its only a matter of time before gas prices are double what they were before coved-19
if we recover from this there is going to be a lot of make up money going on.
And that will really hit us hard when oil companies and countries try and make up for there losses.

Dont know about you but 19 mpg doesn’t cut with a gas engine.

Rob

 

[Coloradorob]

Look out keep gladiator here I come ....unless Toyota use it's diesel in america

Toyota’s diesel was a catastrophe in Australia......
Very unlikely it would ever come here.
check out YouTube for Toyota DPF failures.

Rob

 

[Coloradorob]

Guess I need to start saving now, I doubt GM is going to keep this motor, wonder what will become of the tooling?

The plant where the 2.8 is made has been sold and speculation is no 2.8 in 2023.
I think the 2.7 would be a good fit with the 10 speed in the twins.
But 30 mpg will not be in the cards for that motor.

Rob

 

[oak1971]

I know the plant was sold, but it is common practice not to leave proprietary tooling behind.

 

[Coloradorob]

I know the plant was sold, but it is common practice not to leave proprietary tooling behind.

Yes but GM bought that plant with the tooling already there. I believe!
They did some changes but didn’t invent the basic tooling.
And it would have no value to them.
Im thinking that no company really wants a diesel with all the rules and regulations in N America.
Full size trucks have better sales and as long as one company makes a diesel for a full size all the others will follow.

If and it’s starting to look like a big if, Ram brings back the Decoda with a diesel and actually puts the v6 diesel in the Gladiator, them that may be a game changer. But it’s not looking good.

Also people need to understand that today’s diesel don’t make a good off-roader or over lander. The particulate filter fills up very fast and can’t be regenerated at slow speeds.
If your heading for a day of off road and you particulate filter is at or close to 100% then that day of off reading can do major damage to 5he filter. Or at the very least shorten its life.
So what mfg would want to warranty that?

Rob

 

[oak1971]

One more reason to delete the EPA.

 

[Jiggy]

Didn't they pretty much do the same thing with Allison and the transmissions. Bought it took what they wanted and left.

 

[Trail loving chevy]

Guess it’s time to start doing some home work on electric trucks wonder if they are a viable option. That’s is what they are pushing toward anyway