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GDE old non-compliant tune / going to compliant and back

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This is a 3 part question,

1. I have the very last version of the GDE non-compliant tune. I purchased the tune and then held off on installing it due to concerns about voiding the warranty. However, I am now ready to install it. Has anyone had issues with the newest version of EFI live not working with this now 3 year old tune?

2. I am probably going to buy the current GDE compliant tune and add the trans tune (I didn’t originally buy the trans tune.) Can I install the trans tune and use it with the old non-compliant tune?

3. Has anyone installed the new compliant tune and then flashed back to the non-compliant engine tune? Were there any problems with that?

Oh, of course, the non-compliant tune is for when I travel outside the USA.

Thanks in advance!

Terry
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This is a 3 part question,

1. I have the very last version of the GDE non-compliant tune. I purchased the tune and then held off on installing it due to concerns about voiding the warranty. However, I am now ready to install it. Has anyone had issues with the newest version of EFI live not working with this now 3 year old tune?

2. I am probably going to buy the current GDE compliant tune and add the trans tune (I didn’t originally buy the trans tune.) Can I install the trans tune and use it with the old non-compliant tune?

3. Has anyone installed the new compliant tune and then flashed back to the non-compliant engine tune? Were there any problems with that?

Oh, of course, the non-compliant tune is for when I travel outside the USA.

Thanks in advance!

Terry

Hi Terry what I figured out over time is this, whatever firmware they last manipulated the tune with needs to be the same on the spade. You could install the firmware that was used and put the older tune in and it will work fine. The trans tune will work either way but you will need to purchase it from them. The problem I see, if you want to run the older tune you may need to have the trans tune with that same vintage firmware.

In the long run the only benefit between new and old tune files (and in my book it's a big one) is the older tune will turn off the ERG soot generator.
Hi Terry what I figured out over time is this, whatever firmware they last manipulated the tune with needs to be the same on the spade. You could install the firmware that was used and put the older tune in and it will work fine. The trans tune will work either way but you will need to purchase it from them. The problem I see, if you want to run the older tune you may need to have the trans tune with that same vintage firmware.

In the long run the only benefit between new and old tune files (and in my book it's a big one) is the older tune will turn off the ERG soot generator.
Thank you for that great reply. How do I know which firmware to download? Are you also using the last “old“ version of the tune?
Thank you for that great reply. How do I know which firmware to download? Are you also using the last “old“ version of the tune?
Do you still have the email they sent you with the original tune? It will have a white paper that will spell it out.
Do you still have the email they sent you with the original tune? It will have a white paper that will spell it out.
I do, thank you.
I do, thank you.
Let us know how you make out. Good luck.
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Let us know how you make out. Good luck.
FYI, I did exactly this in early 2021, after updating with the latest firmware on my AutoCal. The sequence of events went like this:

1) Emissions testing was coming due, so I finally went to the GMC dealer after getting probably 10 recall mailer cards and finally let them complete the recall. The dealer flashed the updated OEM tune on it. Drove truck home on the OEM tune with GDE's trans tune, it felt like a laggy farm tractor compared to GDE's engine tune, but at least it still shifted good ;)

2) Updated the AutoCal, bought GDE's "compliant" settings for an additional $50 fee. Even though it was only used for a week or so, It was worth it to me, I hated the stock settings that much plus I wanted to be on record has having purchased the "legal" settings. Saved the latest GM settings, then flashed it with the GDE compliant settings to pass emissions, as the shop does have to plug in to the OBD port to check emissions readiness monitors.

Drove the truck for awhile with the compliant settings to reset the monitors. The truck drove the same with the compliant settings (as far as I could casually tell) as it did with the older non compliant settings, and far better than stock. I was impressed by this, well done GDE!

3) Passed emissions on the compliant settings, flashed it back to the older non compliant settings. I plan to do this little dance until the end of time. VW was kind enough to automate the process and look what that got them :LOL:

All kidding aside, it sucks about the EPA crackdown, but GDE still offers a compliant product that greatly improves the 2.8 driving experience. I do prefer the older settings as they turn off EGR.
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Posting back with my experience. As you have to get the emissions flash recall done to get the compliant tune, I did that today. It took me a little while to work it into my schedule. GDE got me the updated tune the same afternoon as I sent the emissions updated factory tune to them. I did not expect that.

Everything went very well. I am very happy with how the truck drives now. While I really like the engine tune, it is the trans tune that seemed to make the most difference. Wow does it shift different and great now. I have to believe the difference in how it shifts will significantly help with transmission and torque converter reliability. I am really looking forward to seeing the difference in fuel economy. I will post back when I have enough experience to give an informed opinion.

Also, I could be wrong but it seems like the alternator charges the battery more now.

I’d like to add I had zero issues with the newest firmware and other EFI live updates. (It worked fine with the old tune, as you know, for my travels to Mexico where such a tune is allowed.)
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Nice! Ya, the trans tuning is about as transformative as the engine tuning. I agree that the reduction in slipping and "flaring" in the transmission can only help it's longevity. The trans simply works correctly with the GDE settings.
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Not too shabby. Driving is mostly on mountain 2 lane highways between 40 and 60 miles per hour. However, I make a regular trip from 8200 feet, down to about 6500, back up to 9000, and then all the way down to about 4500 feet. Then, I make the return trip. All told it is about 60 miles round trip.

On the trip from 9000 feet to 4500, it is a fairly steep grade. I use the engine brake on the trip down. With the tune it is a much better experience. The engine does not rev way up like it did before. The engine braking is much more controlled. It also slows it down more, sometimes more than I want.


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About 425 miles since tuned, I have set a new personal fuel economy record. My previous best for 450 was 31.7 and that included almost all interstate driving. This new record was with no interstate driving. There were a lot of hills and typical speeds ranged from 40 to 60 mph. However, while not interstate, there is not much stop and go driving on my regular route. My previous last 450 under the same driving conditions as the 33.3 was 26.5, which is an “apples to apples” comparison. I am planning a long interstate trip next month. I am looking forward to seeing how well it does then.


This (33.3 mpg) is almost as good as my wife’s Subaru crosstrek but she drives with a heavy foot. On the same routes she is usually at 35 mpg. I’m a more conservative driver than her. I’m sure it would be a little higher if I was driving her car. (She doesn’t like me driving her car or how I drive. I wish there was a way she could be a passenger of herself...)

It is still less costly to drive her car but not enough to park the Canyon again unless the disparity between diesel and gas widens again.

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Nice!

My wife has a plug in hybrid that goes 25 miles on a charge. I take her "golf cart" on short trips instead of my truck. Because we short trip that car in town a lot in EV mode, it is averaging 82 MPG at the moment. At a 5 cent per kWH overnight rate, it costs about 1 cent per mile in electricity to drive. Gotta love that kind of fuel economy these days.
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About 425 miles since tuned, I have set a new personal fuel economy record. My previous best for 450 was 31.7 and that included almost all interstate driving. This new record was with no interstate driving. There were a lot of hills and typical speeds ranged from 40 to 60 mph. However, while not interstate, there is not much stop and go driving on my regular route. My previous last 450 under the same driving conditions as the 33.3 was 26.5, which is an “apples to apples” comparison. I am planning a long interstate trip next month. I am looking forward to seeing how well it does then.


This (33.3 mpg) is almost as good as my wife’s Subaru crosstrek but she drives with a heavy foot. On the same routes she is usually at 35 mpg. I’m a more conservative driver than her. I’m sure it would be a little higher if I was driving her car. (She doesn’t like me driving her car or how I drive. I wish there was a way she could be a passenger of herself...)

It is still less costly to drive her car but not enough to park the Canyon again unless the disparity between diesel and gas widens again.

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Nice!

My wife has a plug in hybrid that goes 25 miles on a charge. I take her "golf cart" on short trips instead of my truck. Because we short trip that car in town a lot in EV mode, it is averaging 82 MPG at the moment. At a 5 cent per kWH overnight rate, it costs about 1 cent per mile in electricity to drive. Gotta love that kind of fuel economy these days.
That‘s great numbers. I bought the GDE tuned about 4 mon; Ago. I find the mileage the truck reports is better, but when I hand calculate the miles traveled and fuel added from the pump. The Gde calculations have been 4-6 mpg off. My actual hand calculated mileage hasn’t changed enough to see any difference.
That‘s great numbers. I bought the GDE tuned about 4 mon; Ago. I find the mileage the truck reports is better, but when I hand calculate the miles traveled and fuel added from the pump. The Gde calculations have been 4-6 mpg off. My actual hand calculated mileage hasn’t changed enough to see any difference.
Interesting. It has been awhile, but I hand calculated about 10 tanks of fuel and the DIC figure was a little optimistic, but not that big of a difference, about 1 to 1.5 MPG or so. This is with the older non compliant settings.

I also get "fuel points" as the station is connected with our grocery store. As a result, fill it to the brim every time because I am a cheap SOB, which should make the mileage calcs consistent. There is about 2.8 gallons from first click to filling it to the brim, which involves rocking the truck to burp out the last bit of air from the tank. Ya, I am insane, but 75 cents to a dollar off a gallon adds up :LOL:
I am about 900 miles since tuned and am seeing a little over 5mpg improvement. Next tank I will hand calculate and report back.

“There is about 2.8 gallons from first click to filling it to the brim, which involves rocking the truck to burp out the last bit of air from the tank. Ya, I am insane, but 75 cents to a dollar off a gallon adds up :LOL:

I do this as well but don’t rock it. I just fill really slow after the first click and get about 2 gallons more.
Haha, I do the same thing, I consider it the challenge of the day:ROFLMAO:
I am about 900 miles since tuned and am seeing a little over 5mpg improvement. Next tank I will hand calculate and report back.

“There is about 2.8 gallons from first click to filling it to the brim, which involves rocking the truck to burp out the last bit of air from the tank. Ya, I am insane, but 75 cents to a dollar off a gallon adds up :LOL:

I do this as well but don’t rock it. I just fill really slow after the first click and get about 2 gallons more.
The usual is 2.5 gallons filling slow, rock it, get another .3. I don't always rock it though, depends on the amount of fuel point savings and if anyone is watching, as it kind of embarrasses me :LOL:
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HAHA I know exactly what you mean.
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Took me a bit longer to remember to post back post GDE tune fuel economy hand calculated. I filled up when I hit 500.4 on this tank. DIC showed 30.7 in all around driving. Hand calculated shows 28.7. That is still more than 4mpg better with the tune. That’s about 68 miles more than pre-tune for this amount of fuel used. At today’s price, that is about $10 dollars saved. I have a long way to go to pay for the tune…. but I will take it.

On an interstate trip, I had 34.6 DIC. So, I figure actual is 32.6 ish actual.

By the way, a gallon of diesel here in southern NM is $4.17. What a difference a month makes! A 20 percent decline!
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