In the market - have questions

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Gawain

Discussion Starter · Sep 4, 2017 (Edited)

Hi all. I've been waiting patiently to see how the used market would develop for the diesel Colorado (I don't buy new anymore). I'm not married to getting a diesel, but I'm genuinely interested, as I understand this engine is well-proven over the years it has been available outside the US. Given the rave reviews these trucks have received, I'm curious if anyone can answer a couple questions -

I don't drive a lot of miles (under 7500/year), are there any downsides with this (or any) where a diesel engine is concerned (mileage/fuel savings is not my primary driver, more in terms of engine longevity)?
Many of the vehicles I am seeing for sale seem to have fairly low miles, or really high miles (given <2-year-old vehicles), I'm curious about any insight any of you current owners have that may shed light on why people are not keeping these trucks longer, given the premium paid to get one. What do they/did they know that I don't yet know as a prospective owner?

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RollyPollieBenito

· #2 · Sep 5, 2017

Gawain said:
Hi all. I've been waiting patiently to see how the used market would develop for the diesel Colorado (I don't buy new anymore). I'm not married to getting a diesel, but I'm genuinely interested, as I understand this engine will proven over the years it has been available outside the US. Given the rave reviews these trucks have received, I'm curious if anyone can answer a couple questions -

I don't drive a lot of miles (under 7500/year), are there any downsides with this (or any) diesel engine (mileage/fuel savings is not my primary driver, more in terms of engine longevity)?

Many of the vehicles I am seeing for sale seem to have fairly low miles, or really high miles (given <2-year-old vehicles), I'm curious about any insight any of you current owner have that may shed light on why people are not keeping these trucks longer, given the premium paid to get one. What do they/did they know that I don't yet know as a prospective owner?

Just my 2cents.

1. My truck only see me on weekends and family road trips, it does more city driving than highway. It seems to be doing quite well.

2. Quite a few people I know are getting rid of their canyon/Colorado has been jumping on the ZR2 bandwagon. Also some early 2016 diesel had a few issues.

Hope that help.

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Gawain

Discussion Starter · #3 · Sep 5, 2017

RollyPollieBenito said:
Just my 2cents.

1. My truck only see me on weekends and family road trips, it does more city driving than highway. It seems to be doing quite well.

2. Quite a few people I know are getting rid of their canyon/Colorado has been jumping on the ZR2 bandwagon. Also some early 2016 diesel had a few issues.

Hope that help.

Thanks very much. I'll read up on whatever issues there were from the 2016MY. Thanks again for the input.

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Burgess159

· #4 · Sep 5, 2017

When you get out and do drive it, I would make sure you drive it good. Like, don't put around in town a bunch or you will have issues with the emissions system. You would need to get it out and go on a drive, say 100 mile trip at highway speeds. I had a 2004 Silverado 2500HD Duramax and I only ever put about 7500 miles a year on it as well. I didn't own it for long as it only got 20 mpg at best on the highway and didn't use it for heavy towing. I would think you would be alright if you could get one for your price range. If you don't drive much, then this truck is going to last you for a very long time (if you hold onto your vehicles). Diesel engines last for much longer than their gas counterparts. And you'll only have to change your oil like once a year.

Gawain

Discussion Starter · #5 · Sep 5, 2017

Burgess159 said:
When you get out and do drive it, I would make sure you drive it good. Like, don't put around in town a bunch or you will have issues with the emissions system. You would need to get it out and go on a drive, say 100 mile trip at highway speeds. I had a 2004 Silverado 2500HD Duramax and I only ever put about 7500 miles a year on it as well. I didn't own it for long as it only got 20 mpg at best on the highway and didn't use it for heavy towing. I would think you would be alright if you could get one for your price range. If you don't drive much, then this truck is going to last you for a very long time (if you hold onto your vehicles). Diesel engines last for much longer than their gas counterparts. And you'll only have to change your oil like once a year.

Funny you should mention an 04 Silverado HD, there is an 04 GMC Sierra 2500HD available not far from me with very low miles. It is on my radar because it's a pre-DEF truck, but worried that low miles might be a liability when it comes to wear and tear.

I'm curious about what local driving would do to emissions on the newer Colorado/Canyon engine? Not enough heat or distance to burn away some of the particulate matter?

Rockcrawlerdude

· #6 · Sep 5, 2017

Gawain said:
Funny you should mention an 04 Silverado HD, there is an 04 GMC Sierra 2500HD available not far from me with very low miles. It is on my radar because it's a pre-DEF truck, but worried that low miles might be a liability when it comes to wear and tear.

I'm curious about what local driving would do to emissions on the newer Colorado/Canyon engine? Not enough heat or distance to burn away some of the particulate matter?

My truck takes about 18 mins on average to knockout a regen. I live 9 miles from my shop and if it starts a regen on my way in, it usually won't finish but it'll finish it on the way home. Never had any problems.

Low miles on an 04 I would prolly trade mine for that haha. Those gens are nice but they have lots of electrical dash and doodad issues

RollyPollieBenito

· #7 · Sep 5, 2017

Unless I'm on a road trip, my truck only see city streets and country roads. When my truck get in regen, I just cruise down the country road until it's done and head back after.

Burgess159

· #8 · Sep 5, 2017

Gawain said:
Funny you should mention an 04 Silverado HD, there is an 04 GMC Sierra 2500HD available not far from me with very low miles. It is on my radar because it's a pre-DEF truck, but worried that low miles might be a liability when it comes to wear and tear.

I'm curious about what local driving would do to emissions on the newer Colorado/Canyon engine? Not enough heat or distance to burn away some of the particulate matter?

Sent you a PM on the full size trucks so as not to hijack your thread with my lengthy long winded reply

As for the regens on short driving, I believe if you get it above 35 or 40 mph, that is sufficient enough for it to start an active regen where it does it without you really knowing aside from lower mpg's. I mean, if you're doing all in city driving, I would probably go with a gas engine. If you are going to be commuting on a highway to get to the city and that's what most of the life of the truck will be with the occasional chance of pulling a trailer, then I would probably go with the diesel as you will get much better mgp's on the highway or when pulling a trailer.

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Skyjockey

· #9 · Sep 6, 2017

Gawain said:
Hi all. I've been waiting patiently to see how the used market would develop for the diesel Colorado (I don't buy new anymore). I'm not married to getting a diesel, but I'm genuinely interested, as I understand this engine will proven over the years it has been available outside the US. Given the rave reviews these trucks have received, I'm curious if anyone can answer a couple questions -

I don't drive a lot of miles (under 7500/year), are there any downsides with this (or any) diesel engine (mileage/fuel savings is not my primary driver, more in terms of engine longevity)?

Many of the vehicles I am seeing for sale seem to have fairly low miles, or really high miles (given <2-year-old vehicles), I'm curious about any insight any of you current owner have that may shed light on why people are not keeping these trucks longer, given the premium paid to get one. What do they/did they know that I don't yet know as a prospective owner?

Like you, I also do not buy new. I have been looking for used 16-17 Canyon Diesels in my area and I really can't find many and the ones that do pop up, are not much less than a brand new truck. Decided to put off purchase for a year in hopes of finding a better deal - if not, I may break my long standing rule of buying used and but a new truck.

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Burgess159

· #10 · Sep 6, 2017

Skyjockey said:
Like you, I also do not buy new. I have been looking for used 16-17 Canyon Diesels in my area and I really can't find many and the ones that do pop up, are not much less than a brand new truck. Decided to put off purchase for a year in hopes of finding a better deal - if not, I may break my long standing rule of buying used and but a new truck.

Neither my wife or I had ever bought a new one (we're still young in life though, while I feel a handful on here are....seasoned

) but we bought new on this. I can't say I enjoy being in debt for such a long time with the price we paid, but, there are good things I figured about buying new:

- It is new, so no one else has owned it before me, thus I don't have to wonder how it was taken care of by the previous owner.
- Related to the first point; since it's new, I don't forsee any major maintenance work having to be done on the truck, hopefully until around 100,000 miles and should anything break, hopefully it will be covered under warranty, although I'm not holding my breath on that.

These are also good, but pertain a little more specifically to me I would say:

- We were able to get a much better deal on the truck by going to Laura Buick GMC in Collinsville, IL. as they were around $8,000 under other dealers for the same truck closer to me.
- We needed something that was dependable (again with the being new thing, hopefully, so long as it doesn't turn out to be a Lemon - sitting at 17,500 miles currently) and that would get better fuel economy and still be able to tow something. This fit the bill more than perfectly.
- Needed to get the wife out from under the stupid high interest rate she had on her Jeep Liberty. No credit and no co-signer at an early age got her a reallyyyyyy bad interest rate.....Yes we did roll the jeep loan into the Canyon, but we got an interest rate that was around 1/4 to 1/5 of what she was paying.

It's not for everyone, I know that. Probably why I had never bought new until now. Our next vehicle won't be new (will be upgrading the 2011 Kia Optima to something a little more spacious than it or the truck, like an Acadia or something with at least 1 little one on the way

), but I don't regret buying the truck. Totally blows that stupid Jeep we had out of the water.

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Gawain

Discussion Starter · #11 · Sep 6, 2017

Burgess159 said:
Neither my wife or I had ever bought a new one (we're still young in life though, while I feel a handful on here are....seasoned ) but we bought new on this. I can't say I enjoy being in debt for such a long time with the price we paid, but, there are good things I figured about buying new:

- It is new, so no one else has owned it before me, thus I don't have to wonder how it was taken care of by the previous owner.
- Related to the first point; since it's new, I don't forsee any major maintenance work having to be done on the truck, hopefully until around 100,000 miles and should anything break, hopefully it will be covered under warranty, although I'm not holding my breath on that.

These are also good, but pertain a little more specifically to me I would say:

- We were able to get a much better deal on the truck by going to Laura Buick GMC in Collinsville, IL. as they were around $8,000 under other dealers for the same truck closer to me.
- We needed something that was dependable (again with the being new thing, hopefully, so long as it doesn't turn out to be a Lemon - sitting at 17,500 miles currently) and that would get better fuel economy and still be able to tow something. This fit the bill more than perfectly.
- Needed to get the wife out from under the stupid high interest rate she had on her Jeep Liberty. No credit and no co-signer at an early age got her a reallyyyyyy bad interest rate.....Yes we did roll the jeep loan into the Canyon, but we got an interest rate that was around 1/4 to 1/5 of what she was paying.

It's not for everyone, I know that. Probably why I had never bought new until now. Our next vehicle won't be new (will be upgrading the 2011 Kia Optima to something a little more spacious than it or the truck, like an Acadia or something with at least 1 little one on the way ), but I don't regret buying the truck. Totally blows that stupid Jeep we had out of the water.

You are experiencing what Dave Ramsey calls the "stupid tax," and it's not because you are stupid, but it's just a manner of referring to the 20/20 hindsight of our life's choices. I used to be in that same boat. Then, after saving some money, I was able to buy a lightly used "new" car and pay cash up-front. It was the best experience of my life and I simply won't finance a car again.

That said, like the post before yours cited, around where I'm at, the used Colorado diesels appear to be short-term remorse trades (less than 7,000-10,000 miles) that are also less than a year old, or they are about a year-ish old, and have over 20,000 miles. It's just a strange observation, and made me wonder if I would have an epiphany if I bought one. Either way, I'm fortunately in no serious hurry, and I am still measuring the value of a light-duty diesel versus a more feature packed gasoline counterpart (not to mention the obviously capable Toyota Tacoma, or a plethora of full sized Chevys out there within the same price range) - it is indeed a high-class problem.

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socalcolorado

· #12 · Sep 6, 2017

i purchased my crew cab long bed Z71 4X4 in August of 2016. It hat 70 miles on it i think when i drove it off the lot. I not have 25K and change on the truck. It is a daily driver city and fwy 60 plus miles a day. There was one minor issue and it was the driver half shaft assembly came loose and was knocking and binding. Dealer took it in under warranty it took three days. They ordered a new assembly. The rear sliding window latch broke off and they replaced the whole window. I have towed my boat and enclosed trailer with my dirt bikes with ease. It is a superb truck my only regret is not going for a couple additional options. It can even hole 3 full size dirt bikes with no problem.

Like you stated Gawain (high class problems)

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RollyPollieBenito

· #13 · Sep 7, 2017

I started out buying used since High school. But after college, I was able to go new. Ever since then, I have always buy new. I live in Southern California, any decent used that is a year old is just as expensive as a new after I negotiate the price on a new one.

The only vehicle I regret buying was my BMW 335i. All my other vehicles have been great and well worth buying new.

But that is the benefit of living in this great nation of our. We have freedom and options and to each their own. What work for me may not work for you, and what tickle me may not tickle you.

So, buy new or new to you, do whatever make you most happy. At the end of the day, all that doesn't matter. The only thing that matter is our happiness and sharing our experience with great people on this forum or any other forum.

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Rockcrawlerdude

· #14 · Sep 7, 2017

if buying a "new" car (where the used ones are only a year or so old) then I prefer to buy new over used because of the financing available most of the time.

For example, I wait and buy new trucks at 0%, I've gotten 0% for 60 on my tundra (last new truck) and 0% for 72 on my colorado. It's hard to get financing like that on a used vehicle.

The other uses vehicles I've had were older and they were cash purchases. If I had $40,000 cash laying around I would still have financed the truck at 0% and kept the cash in my pocket.

Ymmv

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lovemycolorado

· #15 · Dec 19, 2017

RollyPollieBenito said:
Unless I'm on a road trip, my truck only see city streets and country roads. When my truck get in regen, I just cruise down the country road until it's done and head back after.

Seen this a lot, but what the heck is “regen”?

RollyPollieBenito

· #16 · Dec 19, 2017

lovemycolorado said:
Seen this a lot, but what the heck is “regen”?

Regen is when the DPF is going through a cleaning cycle.

Skyjockey

· #17 · Dec 19, 2017

Burgess159 said:
Neither my wife or I had ever bought a new one (we're still young in life though, while I feel a handful on here are....seasoned ) but we bought new on this. I can't say I enjoy being in debt for such a long time with the price we paid, but, there are good things I figured about buying new:

- It is new, so no one else has owned it before me, thus I don't have to wonder how it was taken care of by the previous owner.
- Related to the first point; since it's new, I don't forsee any major maintenance work having to be done on the truck, hopefully until around 100,000 miles and should anything break, hopefully it will be covered under warranty, although I'm not holding my breath on that.

These are also good, but pertain a little more specifically to me I would say:

- We were able to get a much better deal on the truck by going to Laura Buick GMC in Collinsville, IL. as they were around $8,000 under other dealers for the same truck closer to me.
- We needed something that was dependable (again with the being new thing, hopefully, so long as it doesn't turn out to be a Lemon - sitting at 17,500 miles currently) and that would get better fuel economy and still be able to tow something. This fit the bill more than perfectly.
- Needed to get the wife out from under the stupid high interest rate she had on her Jeep Liberty. No credit and no co-signer at an early age got her a reallyyyyyy bad interest rate.....Yes we did roll the jeep loan into the Canyon, but we got an interest rate that was around 1/4 to 1/5 of what she was paying.

It's not for everyone, I know that. Probably why I had never bought new until now. Our next vehicle won't be new (will be upgrading the 2011 Kia Optima to something a little more spacious than it or the truck, like an Acadia or something with at least 1 little one on the way ), but I don't regret buying the truck. Totally blows that stupid Jeep we had out of the water.

Collinsville Buick/GMC has some good prices on their leftover 2017s, but good luck trying to get a response from anybody there. For 2 weeks i sent numerous emails and phone calls and probably a half dozen chat sessions asking for a salesman to call before I finally got a call back. Since I'm about a 5 hour drive away I asked about a trade in value - the salesman sent me that appraisal form which I filled out and sent back. That was 2 weeks ago - once again numerous phone calls and emails asking about a status - still no call backs. I was hoping to be in a new truck about a month ago - I have given up on Collinsville.

Burgess159

· #18 · Dec 19, 2017

Skyjockey said:
Collinsville Buick/GMC has some good prices on their leftover 2017s, but good luck trying to get a response from anybody there. For 2 weeks i sent numerous emails and phone calls and probably a half dozen chat sessions asking for a salesman to call before I finally got a call back. Since I'm about a 5 hour drive away I asked about a trade in value - the salesman sent me that appraisal form which I filled out and sent back. That was 2 weeks ago - once again numerous phone calls and emails asking about a status - still no call backs. I was hoping to be in a new truck about a month ago - I have given up on Collinsville.

That stinks. I can't say that I really had any complaints dealing with them. I don't remember calling, I think we just drove there because we are 1.5 hours away. If you could, I would definitely recommend just selling your vehicle outright. We would have, had the wife not still had a loan on her Jeep for more than it was worth. Do that, then just drive over there early on a weekday and drive out with one.

I'm not a good negotiator, my wife is better than I am, but we tried to see if they could get us a cheaper price than they already had, but they wouldn't. Said they already had a lot of markdowns on them as it was, plus we got $1,000 off for an internet sale they had going on, which was how we found the truck in the first place.

Burgess159

· #19 · Dec 19, 2017

lovemycolorado said:
Seen this a lot, but what the heck is “regen”?

The DPF filter burns off all of the ash/ soot it has collected, and it uses extra diesel fuel in the process to do so. It will last for about 15-25 minutes I think. So long as you keep your speed over 40 mph I think. At that speed or faster, I believe the truck is producing enough heat to allow it to burn.

dasjefe

· #20 · Dec 23, 2019

I have a 2015 VW TDI right now and I'm thinking about selling it and getting a Colorado Duramax. The VW has been a great car - and sadly it is the last of the TDIs that
we'll see in the US. Seller's market for these cars right now... and I need something that tows a bit better.

Has anyone bought a Certified Pre-owned Colorado? These seem to have a 100k 5yr powertrain warranty... which is better than the new ones? That doesn't make much sense.
The other strange thing about the used/CPO market is it seems like CCLB config is really difficult to find.

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