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Finding lots of these too
And this is GM second attempt at cylinder deactivation
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It is isn't just GM. Ford and Dodge have both embraced the same tech. Yes, I know it's Ram now, but I refuse to play the corporate rebranding game. Both the Hemi and 5.0 F150 V8 use it along with many other devices intended not to increase MPG, but targeted EPA emissions levels. All of them provided by the lowest bidder and designed using "value" engineering. Look it up and also "cost down" engineering.
 

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It is isn't just GM. Ford and Dodge have both embraced the same tech. Yes, I know it's Ram now, but I refuse to play the corporate rebranding game. Both the Hemi and 5.0 F150 V8 use it along with many other devices intended not to increase MPG, but targeted EPA emissions levels. All of them provided by the lowest bidder and designed using "value" engineering. Look it up and also "cost down" engineering.
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Things like variable pressure oil pumps, zone control for both oil and coolant, and as far back as 2016, louvers on the grille which do not open until the ECU senses a given coolant temp. All interconnected and many at critical failure points.
 

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It is isn't just GM. Ford and Dodge have both embraced the same tech. Yes, I know it's Ram now, but I refuse to play the corporate rebranding game. Both the Hemi and 5.0 F150 V8 use it along with many other devices intended not to increase MPG, but targeted EPA emissions levels. All of them provided by the lowest bidder and designed using "value" engineering. Look it up and also "cost down" engineering.
I agree. Not just picking on GM here. Although they do really deserve it.
When you consider that this is there second attempt at building a cyl deactivation system that still doesn’t work properly. And there is no excuse for that.
Around here Dodge was and still may be the busiest dealership service centers ever.....
A friend of mine dumped his $80,000.00 Platnuim 4x4 Ford diesel because there was always something wrong that had it at the dealer. And he couldn’t get the truck to stop wondering all over the road. A typical Ford issue...
But as of late it seems GM is at the top of the list for producing really poor quantity vehicles.
I swear they have hired a bunch of Ford and FCA engineers.
I am just blown away buy how poor the quality is for the extremely high price they are getting for the junk they produce.......
 

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I agree. Not just picking on GM here. Although they do really deserve it.
When you consider that this is there second attempt at building a cyl deactivation system that still doesn’t work properly. And there is no excuse for that.
Around here Dodge was and still may be the busiest dealership service centers ever.....
A friend of mine dumped his $80,000.00 Platnuim 4x4 Ford diesel because there was always something wrong that had it at the dealer. And he couldn’t get the truck to stop wondering all over the road. A typical Ford issue...
But as of late it seems GM is at the top of the list for producing really poor quantity vehicles.
I swear they have hired a bunch of Ford and FCA engineers.
I am just blown away buy how poor the quality is for the extremely high price they are getting for the junk they produce.......
New Tundra for 2022....The "Big 3" will need to pick up their game.
 

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The only hope for gm or any of the big 3, is inconsistency. That seems to be the only aspect they can nail with any...consistency?

That said, yes new tundra in 22, but toyota isnt exactly knocking it out of the park these days either. Tacomas are full of major issues too. We’ll see how immune to them or other issues the new tundy is.
 

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The only hope for gm or any of the big 3, is inconsistency. That seems to be the only aspect they can nail with any...consistency?

That said, yes new tundra in 22, but toyota isnt exactly knocking it out of the park these days either. Tacomas are full of major issues too. We’ll see how immune to them or other issues the new tundy is.
Now and again a good one slips through "quality control".
 

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The only hope for gm or any of the big 3, is inconsistency. That seems to be the only aspect they can nail with any...consistency?

That said, yes new tundra in 22, but toyota isnt exactly knocking it out of the park these days either. Tacomas are full of major issues too. We’ll see how immune to them or other issues the new tundy is.
Are we at a point where MFGs can’t reliably produce vehicles anymore?
Complicated systems trying to meet fuel mileage mandates. GMs 3.0 liter diesel is a good example.
Out sourcing parts from the lowest bidder seems to be a big problem in most of these cases.
With the price there asking these days I expect better than we the consumer are getting.

Not sure about you guys, but I want to feel good about my decision to purchase from GM
And most of us like to crap on the owners of the competition. Even if it’s just for fun.
Things really look bad as far as quality goes.
Those of you in the US have the lemon law. We in Canada do not. And we pay more here for everything.
 

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Lemon law varies a lot state to state. In CA ive heard it doesnt favor the car owner but no first hand experience...yet. Im not going lemon law with my truck but i certainly have a plight going. Too early to tell if gm will do something for me or give me the old too bad so sad, buyer beware.

but seriously, if theyre going to have quality control that lets stuff like this out, and take parts from lowest bidders, they should have customer service to counter it out. Least they could do after being bailed out for sucking. Super annoying, but you really cant get a reiable product reliably from any mfr on any continent any more. Ive never heard of so many tacoma issues in my life
 

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Are we at a point where MFGs can’t reliably produce vehicles anymore?
Complicated systems trying to meet fuel mileage mandates. GMs 3.0 liter diesel is a good example.
Out sourcing parts from the lowest bidder seems to be a big problem in most of these cases.
With the price there asking these days I expect better than we the consumer are getting.

Not sure about you guys, but I want to feel good about my decision to purchase from GM
And most of us like to crap on the owners of the competition. Even if it’s just for fun.
Things really look bad as far as quality goes.
Those of you in the US have the lemon law. We in Canada do not. And we pay more here for everything.
These bass ackwards, non total cost/mile, PR efforts to meet artificial goals are totally weak. The goals themselves are much needed. But, as a committed climate change activist (post career as an international petroleum engineer), the way to go is with hefty carbon taxes, proceeds rebated, totally, equitably, regularly, to every US resident (after shelling cash for the CO2 PERMANENTLY sequestered by those sequestration projects built and operated with NO federal corporate welfares). Oh, along with belated recognition of the 11-12 figures of oil and gas asset retirement obligations just in the CONUS (well plugging, surface restorations, and so on), many shirked for over a century. Let the marketplace decide on how to meet these goals. Milton Friedman would approve.

I have no doubt that my lifetime 2.8 rig, with travel trailer, will still be economic to drive all over North America for the next 20 years or until I assume room temp, whichever comers 1st...
 

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Let the marketplace decide while taxing into oblivion any option you don't agree with? How does that solve anything?
 

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Let the marketplace decide while taxing into oblivion any option you don't agree with? How does that solve anything?
Making the extractors pay for the external costs that they are now communizing onto the rest of us, is simple, pure, capitalism. The extractors (of whom I was one for decades), would rather shirk those climate change, environmental, and asset retirement costs from them to you and me.

Since per capita hydrocarbon use correlates almost perfectly with income and wealth, those in the lowest quintile are bearing more than their fair share of those external costs....
 

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Low income folks will be most harmed. The cost of everything would explode, leaving only the wealthy able to afford basic necessities.
 

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Low income folks will be most harmed. The cost of everything would explode, leaving only the wealthy able to afford basic necessities.
Your argument is popular, but fatally flawed. Econ 101 says otherwise. First of all, po' folks are not only disproportionately harmed by both Ben Dover environmental regs and enforcement, but are also more likely to live near the present and future oil field and refinery trash cans after the extractors/refiners/tansporters complete their obligation shirking. So, those costs need to be fully borne by those incurring them.

As for climate costs, if a carbon tax was equitably, regularly, totally rebated to every one of us, then po' folks would gain more than they would lose. Now, if you doubt the ability of pol's to voluntarily keep their mitts off the $ - per tobacco tax honey potting - get in line behind me. But if we keep our heads on straight, we could make it happen
 

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Government loves new tax’s. Especially a carbon tax. And yes some Po folks will see a rebait, most of the tax money will end up in the government coffers.
just take a look at Canada...... We have a carbon tax.
The proper way to get us off petroleum is to tax carbon but reinvest that tax monies in companies in your own country to come up with better fuel sources. Better batteries and or cold fusion ect.

The western civilization has built a very high standard of living compared to other countries and we need to stay in that position.
Carbon Tax must be put into research and development. Not in governments pockets.
And definitely not given to the 3rd world as the Paris Accord wants....
 
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